Mindrolling – Ep. 163 – John Lockley Returns

John Lockley

South African shaman John Lockley returns! In this episode, John brings us stories from the bush and tales of the inner landscape.

“Radical mindfulness is radical listening. Without judgment, without ego, just listen.” – John Lockley

Raghu and John talk about the self, the spirit world, and the interconnectedness of mystical traditions. What is in a name? How does a shaman practice mindfulness? Find out on this episode of the Mindrolling Podcast.

“We must dream the impossible. Seek the beauty of sharing wisdom through the cracks of our longing. Usher into reality the possibility of a world village glued together by a concert of wisdom.” – Malidoma Somé



Show Notes

01:50 – John shares details of a recent trip where he led a group into the Timbavati, a wilderness reserve near Mozambique. While there, John taught the group how to track animals and connect with their primal selves. We hear a fascinating story of the group’s run-in with a wild elephant.

07:25 – Raghu laments our disconnection to the natural world in the West. John offers hope and describes how he leads people to find a stillness within themselves. Connecting to our inner landscape is the first step to reconnecting with nature.

14:50 – In South Africa today many of the natives are as separated from the great animals of the bush as we are in the West. However, the spirits of these animals speak to the natives in dreams through their ancestors. John tells us that the first step to speaking with our ancestors and animal spirit is to connect with ourselves. However, we must be careful to listen to our true spirit and not our ego.

20:35 – John explains the importance of suffering and being vulnerable. It is important to embrace this vulnerability to properly connect with ourselves. Accepting these vulnerabilities tunes us into our instincts as well as the spirit world.

24:15 – Raghu and John talk about the importance of names. There is incredible power in the giving and speaking of names. More than a combination of syllables, our names connect us to our ancestors and our destiny.

28:45 – We get to hear the story of how Raghu was gifted his name by Neem Karoli Baba. John describes the importance of the naming process in the Sangoma tradition.

33:40 – John shares his thoughts on mindfulness and how it’s elements are found not just in Shamanism, but in all mystical traditions. We are given an example of the Zen circle and the Ubuntu circle in the Zulu tradition as similar practices with the same objective.

40:20 – We are reminded that “The most generous thing that you can do in this life for another person is to give them complete attention”. It is just as important to work towards better connecting with others as it is to connect to ourselves.

42:30 – John shares a few meditation techniques to focus our awareness, bringing our attention to our breath and heartbeat. Connecting to our heartbeat is integral to being present and mindful, which allows us to really connect to others.

49:40 – With rattle and flute, John closes the episode with a moving song. Like meditation, the song brings us into ourselves and centers our awareness.

Be sure to check out Raghu and John’s last chat on the Be Here Now Network.

John Lockley is a fully initiated sangoma (healer and shaman) in the Xhosa lineage of South Africa, having spent 10 years in an apprenticeship with the tribe that gave us Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu. His remarkable journey through the constraints of Apartheid is a testament to the human spirit, and to the power of forgiveness and reconciliation. For more information on John’s schedule, check out his event calendar

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