Francesca Maximé – ReRooted – Ep. 60 – Antiracist Heart Conversations w/ Roxy Manning PhD & Sarah Peyton

Roxy Manning PhD and Sarah Peyton join Francesca for a conversation on how we can effectively respond to racism with truth, compassion, and an antiracist heart.

Roxy Manning PhD and Sarah Peyton join Francesca for a conversation on how we can effectively respond to racism with truth, compassion, and an antiracist heart.

Roxy Manning, PhD is a clinical psychologist and NVC facilitator who loves to guide groups from discord toward values-driven solutions that work for everyone. Her own inner work, coupled with her professional experience, has grown her capacity to meet people with varying levels of education, disparate life experiences, and the most intense feelings in ways that help them feel heard, respected, supported and loved. She has worked globally with individuals and groups committed to social justice and has consulted with businesses, nonprofits, and government organizations around the U.S., wanting to move towards equitable and diverse hiring practices and workplace cultures. Find more at

Sarah Peyton, international constellations facilitator, Certified Trainer of Nonviolent Communication and neuroscience educator, integrates constellations, brain science and the use of resonant language to heal personal and collective trauma. Sarah teaches and lectures internationally and is the author of three books: Your Resonant Self: Guided Meditations and Exercises to Engage Your Brain’s Capacity for Healing, it’s companion – Your Resonant Self Workbook: From Self-sabotage to Self-care, and Affirmations for Turbulent Times: Resonant Words to Soothe Body and Mind. Discover more at

Please support Roxy & Sarah’s Kickstarter Project: Two Books: Antiracist Conversations & The Antiracist Heart
Antiracist Conversations // The Antiracist Heart

Welcoming Roxy Manning PhD and Sarah Peyton to ReRooted, Francesca invites this dynamic duo of social justice reform, antiracism, neuroscience, education, and trauma healing, to share the powerful inspiration behind their transformational new two books: Antiracist Conversations & The Antiracist Heart. To start, Roxy shares contemplations around how we address and respond to racism, while Sarah offers grounded self-regulation for overcoming implicit biases and facing racism.

“The more self-regulated we are, the less we are at the mercy of our implicit biases, so the more capacity we have to name what’s happening in our own bodies and be resonate with ourselves, the more we have some ground to stand on to begin to address the structural racism that is terrifyingly comprehensive in our North American world.” – Sarah Peyton

Sarah Peyton & Francesca discuss the effects of white supremacy on neurobiology, on Ep. 41 of ReRooted
History, Grief, & Nonviolent Communication (15:15)

Prompted by Francesca to relay the importance of diving into the history of racism, Roxy shares how doing so is actually learning to move through the stages of grief. Through this lens, she explains how we can use mindful awareness within stages of grief to acknowledge our mourning without collapsing into it. From here the conversation flows into the subtle nuances of nonviolent communication.

“Learning this history is learning to move through the stages of grief. There’s an innocence we have as children where we think we’re gonna be fully accepted and seen for exactly who we are at the capacities we bring, and that moment of realizing over and over again that that’s not the case, we have to go through the anger, denial, all the stages, and whenever we don’t do that, whenever we stop, we actually can get into this really frozen place.” – Roxy Manning, PhD 

Oren Jay Sofer and Ethan Nichtern share spiritual perspective on nonviolent communication, on Ep. 19 of The Road Home

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Crowdsourcing Liberation // Compassion, Community, & Truth (25:25)

Speaking to the strange publishing situation which arose around their two books, Antiracist Conversations & The Antiracist Heart, and how crowdsourcing technology could help liberate them from the trappings of the old paradigm, Roxy and Sarah chat with Francesca about balancing risk and rebellion with compassion and connection. From here, they share on the neuroscience of language, illuminating how we can overcome racism with love, truth-telling, joy, and peace, rather than more cruelty.

“Language is like an external neurotransmitter that brings messages to human brains around the world, and when we speak about something as difficult as structural racism, then once we also bring into that language a sense of compassion, connection, and universal needs that connect all people, then we start to be able to leverage an understanding of not just the brain and how it has implicit biases, but also how we choose to speak, what choices we make with our language.” – Sarah Peyton

“I’m trying to go back to the place where we can speak truth and we can say the things that need to be said, but do it in a way that’s inclusive, that really is about building community. My fear is that if we keep burdening different communities, essentially I can be on top, but this community will always be fighting to get their place back, so we need to find a way we can all be on top together.” – Roxy Manning, PhD

JoAnna Hardy explores race, compassionate action, and sacred resistance, on Ep. 59 of the BHNN Guest Podcast

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