Mindrolling – Raghu Markus – Ep. 330 – Cultivating ‘We’ Consciousness with Deborah Eden Tull

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Zen meditation teacher Deborah Eden Tull drops by Mindrolling for a conversation around turning towards pain and suffering, processing fear, and cultivating ‘we’ consciousness.

Deborah Eden Tull, founder of Mindful Living Revolution, teaches the integration of compassionate awareness into every aspect of our lives. She is a Zen meditation and mindfulness teacher, public speaker, author, activist, and sustainability educator. Her latest book is called Relational Mindfulness: A Handbook for Deepening Our Connections with Ourselves, Each Other, and the Planet. Learn more about her at deborahedentull.com

Psychic Numbing

Raghu welcomes Eden to the show and asks about her path to Zen Buddhism. They talk about how sensitivity can be a great strength, and how we can turn towards our pain and suffering rather than numb it out. In a world filled with psychic numbing, we all have a choice to stay present.

“It’s very true – how we treat ourselves and how we treat our world is the same. One’s personal practice has an impact that is transpersonal, interpersonal, societal, and global.” – Deborah Eden Tull

Addicted to Drama (25:33)

Raghu asks Eden about her experiences with Zen meditation, which he considers the most uncompromising form of meditation. Eden leads a short practice on processing fear, turning towards it with a gentle curiosity. Raghu talks about the boredom that can arise with practice, while for Eden it was an addiction to drama that kept coming up.

“The teaching really is to meet everything in our human experience with gentle curiosity and kindness.” – Deborah Eden Tull

Cultivating ‘We’ Consciousness (38:20)

Raghu reads from Eden’s book about making the shift from I to we. Eden discusses cultivating ‘we’ consciousness, especially in these difficult times. Raghu talks about moving away from self cherishing behaviors, and the practice of deep listening. After all, attention is the most subtle form of love.

“Being present is powerful in itself, but shared presence is wildly powerful. Shared presence is even bigger – dropping into spaciousness with another human being. Intimacy arises from spaciousness.” – Deborah Eden Tull

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Images via 1440 Multiversity and Deborah Eden Tull