Mindrolling – Ep. 172 – Mooji


Mindrolling Podcast welcomes world-renowned spiritual teacher, Mooji.

Mooji provides a unique and refreshing perspective on what it means to be on the spiritual path. He and Raghu discuss non-dualism, free-will, and the pitfalls of clinging to the idea of a separate self.

“Anyone whose mind is in the heart has inherited a tremendous space. It is like the whole universe becomes yours.”

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Show Notes

Awakening (Opening) – Mooji shares the history of his spiritual transformation. He talks how he came to the Advaita lineage and becoming a disciple of Papaji.

Self (26:20) – Mooji discusses self-inquiry and its ability to allow a person to move towards an understanding of themselves. Initially, he felt it was a difficult concept to grasp–that we are just consciousness. It took meeting Papaji to allow his mind to understand the idea better.

“It is most important that we really have a profound and deep understanding of what we are calling ‘I.'”

When we speak, we refer to ourselves as “I” or “I am.” However, it is not so easy to have an understanding of what “I” really means. Through conditioning, we have come to believe that “I” refers to body and sense of person.

Athlete’s Foot Mind (35:00) – Emptiness is a difficult concept to work with. Why would we want to be empty? That emptiness is the self. Mooji has an interesting way to look at it that he has referred to as, “Athlete’s Foot Mind.”

The “Athlete’s Foot Mind” describes the kind of reflexive behavioral pattern of identity and personality. Our attention becomes captured by ourselves, and we return to the same familiar places within.

“As soon as the thing we seem to be searching for becomes more alive and present, the resistance comes. “

The truth feels uncomfortable in the presence of the ego. As soon as the thing we are searching for becomes present, it is met by resistance. The power of self-inquiry lies in looking at what it is that is resisting because we are quick to identify with that resistance and call it “me.”

Presence (39:50) – So much of the tradition that Neem Karoli Baba gave to his devotees involves presence. Mooji discusses the presence that comes through practice and how to get that presence of mind to be more spacious in daily life.

“While you are so busy, you are kissed by grace, but you are not thankful for it because it strips you bare, and all your intentions fall away, leaving you as this indescribable ‘here now’ quality-less presence. This is the state of the Unborn.”

In a sense, we are already in the place for which we are searching. The presence we are looking for is always there. Presence is what you are, not some place you get to.

Choice (48:40) – Raghu shares a story with Mooji about Ram Dass’s early struggle with the separateness of karma, action, and grace. The lesson learned is that in reality, one needs to take action within the play for what Mooji calls a “movement” to occur.

“When consciousness chooses to manifest itself as diverse beings, it must imbue those beings with the illusion of making an individual choice, independent of God. That is where I believe we inherit arrogance. Which itself creates in us a deeper sense of separateness.”

Mooji discusses the concept of free-will. While we have the sense of autonomy, there is no real choice when we look closely. If we had the choice, we would all be living the life we wished in our minds to live.

Traps (57:45) – Mooji helps Raghu clear a misconception he has held for some time. Non-dual teachers, such as Mooji, teach that the presence we seek is already inside us. Raghu has felt that this sort of teaching can lead students to an arrogance of self-professed enlightenment.

“I feel it is good that life manifests beings who will do this, so that others will learn from it.”

The path of non-dualism has a philosophical nature which does have more of a tendency to attract arrogance than say, Bhakti. Mooji recognizes this fact and warns his students of this potential of arrogance. However, this arrogance is not innate to the teaching. It is something we all hold and can be expressed in any practice. It is up to the Sangha to recognize this quality and help those who fall into this egoic trap.

Love (1:08:30) – Dualism and non-dualism are two paths to the same place. Love is the essential state of being they both seek. Love was there before the sense of otherness and the individual.

“When you truly find love for others inside your heart, it is so empowering, so beautiful, because you are seeing with the eyes of God. There’s no selfishness there. Selfishness did not create this world. A great love and generosity did.”

You can find Mooji online HERE. Be sure to check out his newest book, “Vaster Than Sky, Greater Than Space: What You Are Before You Became.” For more on dualism, check out this episode of Awakening Now with Lama Surya Das.


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