Chris Grosso – The Indie Spiritualist – Ep. 87 – Roxan McDonald

Roxan McDonald

The Indie Spiritualist gets Spiritual_AF with writer Roxan McDonald as they talk about childhood trauma, getting sober, and getting real with spirituality.

Roxan McDonald is a writer, workshop facilitator, and coach. After 14 years working on the frontlines of addiction, trauma recovery, and gang diversion, Roxan quit the nonprofit world to dedicate herself to full-time writing and spreading her brand of edgy, playful, often irreverent spirituality and personal development. She launched the Instagram account Spiritual_AF in 2013, which has gone on to gain over 84,000 devoted followers. Roxan has teamed up with Knock Knock Publishing to release two decks of cards offering hundreds of ways for people to be Grateful_AF or Spiritual_AF. Learn more about her at, and be sure to follow her on Instagram.

Overcoming Trauma and Addiction

Roxan tells Chris about the many traumatic experiences she faced growing up and how addiction took over her life at a very young age, including driving drunk at the age of nine. She talks about her process of getting sober, and how her life really turned around when she became a counselor for troubled young people.

“I mean, there’s that saying of the bottom is when you stop digging, so drop the shovel. That’s my thing constantly, is every time I get any kind of clarity about myself and my behavior, I’m like, could I drop the shovel? What do I do to let this go?” – Roxan McDonald

Willie Nelson and Slayer (27:30)

Chris asks Roxan about her connection to spirituality, which is not traditional in the slightest. She shares a story about watching Willie Nelson in concert at a young age and seeing him as God in human form. Chris tries to one up her with a story about his experience at a Slayer concert, but Roxan has a mosh pit story to top them all.

“I remember, the flames are shooting up and I turn around and I look at thousands of metal heads just going insane. And all it was was the personification of love. It was one of the most beautiful experiences I have ever had.” – Chris Grosso

Read David Silver’s interview on the power of music as a spiritual ally.
Packaging Spirituality (38:22)

Roxan talks about what prompted her to create the Spiritual_AF Instagram account. Chris finishes the show by reading a few of the brand new Spiritual_AF and Grateful_AF cards available now.

“I’m going to name it Spiritual as Fuck, I’m going to wave this around in people’s faces to just go, you know what, kitten videos are spiritual, and laughing about farts is spiritual, and having a dirty, messy, wild existence, where you’re not perfect, is spiritual.” – Roxan McDonald

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